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It's never a good thing when a government official starts dreaming about operating like a business.

The aim is nothing less than the upending of an established system of global trade centred on China as the factory of the world, as well as the once widely held view that underpinned it – the idea that more of this trade was, in and of itself, a good thing.

Donald Trump often suggests that tariffs are a good thing, not merely as a means to an end, but as an end in themselves.

“You don’t want to get swept by these guys. That wouldn’t be a good thing,” Roberts said, with the Dodgers having already lost twice this week at Nationals Park.

"He is reeling, he is retreating, and that is a good thing," he said.