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“I’m fascinated with people that have something going on with their skin because it’s just the most interesting, artistic, natural thing,” Marino says.

To kind of mirror Issa, I’m on the right path, I’m on a good trajectory, I have something going.

“I had to hide what was really going on, but at the same time, you still have to have something going on,” he said in a video interview from London, before chatting about the Scottish artist John Byrne and walking in the footsteps of the Romans.

If you’re just talking about regular people who have something going on in their family, I think blasting it to the world is vanity.

“Injuries in and out, you think you have something going, then one goes down, one comes back, you lose one, you get one. So we lack the consistency to string 10 games together where we are locked in and everybody is healthy.”