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“Then you talk to some of the people and realize how bullied they were in school, or what a horrible, broken family they came from and realize there was a lot of things driving them — just being outcasts in a society that looks perfect doesn’t make you feel any less outcast.”

“No matter what I say or what I do, people are gonna take it as political,” Betts said.

“So you can choose things that matter to you, diversity and leadership or carbon footprint to show you how your portfolio aligns with the values, or what alternatives there could be,” Hartvigsen said.

But eventually, if you look at what happened before the Civil War and during the Civil War, you go from non-expansion of slavery to abolition — immediate abolition — which was the abolitionist goal, and eventually to Black citizenship, or what was called by W.E.B.

"For rocket launches, we don't even know sometimes how much fuel is used by the rocket or how much the rocket weighs or what altitudes the rocket operates over. Sometimes we get that information from American or European launch providers. It's extremely hard to get that information for Chinese launches. And then even harder if you're looking at something like North Korea. So there's a real lack of information that having all of that data would make our estimates more accurate."