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"As an American, I look at her and I think she's a hustler. She's taking these opportunities, using them as stepping stones to get to where she wants to go."

"This is a pathway and a stepping stone to that."

"I would say that non-league now is better than ever for a stepping stone back into the full-time game," says Lee.

But they want someone fully committed to the job and not treating the governorship as a stepping stone to the White House.

Its long-term goal is to take humans to Mars, using the Moon as a stepping stone.