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If pushed, they almost always say that it was during the 1950s or thereabouts.

We are there or thereabouts with the Ferraris, so I think we will have a battle with those guys.”

But just now, the late spring weather forecast for temperatures and precipitation thereabouts looks hearteningly like the dramatic peninsula itself: high and dry.

It will be West Balboa heading off as favourite in the opener, a 5/2 shot or thereabouts.

Verstappen and Red Bull had looked comparatively out of sorts for most of the weekend, there or thereabouts but not topping any of the practice sessions on the way to qualifying.